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Steven Shrager's avatar

So much depends on the team that is assembled on their MLB player roster. Hodges had so much fall together with pitching, a season for the ages with Cleon Jones hitting .340 and management being smart enough to pluck Tommie Agee and Al Weis and Donn Clendenon from competitors. Johnson had the next explosion of pitching with Gooden, Darling, Fernandez and the team pulled it together over three seasons with the trades for Carter, Hernandez, Knight and Ojeda. Collins had the next explosion of pitching with Harvey, deGrom, Thor and the imported bat of Yoenis Cespedes and Showalter looked like a genius one year and a washed up leader the next.

In Mendy’s first season, this group ripped him apart constantly second guessing his moves. Over time we realized how good a manager he is and how well he relates to the players and does make good in game decisions. Kudos to the Yankees for all their years of training. Again look at what management brought to the table with Holmes, Soto and Torrens and you see the impact on the success of the manager even with two fifths of the expected rotation not having thrown a pitch. I like Mendoza but not ready to anoint him until he wins a title. If he does win this year, he will have matched the number of titles by any other Met manager and then I will join you in singing his praises.

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Brian Joura's avatar

Fans are the last to know about managers. We don't have access and we have to rely on the mainstream press. But the MSM is much more interested in preserving access than accurately portraying what goes on. For years we heard so much about how great Terry Collins was. And it wasn't until he was leaving the Mets' beat that Marc Carig wrote that piece detailing what Collins was really like. And it was not pretty.

As for Hodges, I know as Mets fans we're not allowed to even think, much less say, anything that might not be 100% positive. Dying young has its privileges. And for the record, I'm more than familiar with what his players have said about him over the years. It's just that no one is beloved by 100% of his players. The old Casey Stengel quote -- the key to being a good manager is keeping the people who hate me away from the ones who are undecided. Yet somehow we're supposed to believe that all Mets players genuflected when in Hodges' presence? Sorry, I don't buy it.

I'm all for judging everyone by making a list of pros and cons. The pros for Hodges have been well delineated over the years. But no one's making a list of cons. In an era where it was very common for teams to win back-to-back, the Mets went 83-79 in the two years Hodges managed after the World Series victory. If he was such a great manager, why was he able to lead a team to the championship and then be so mid in the two following years with mostly the same players? Why did he run off Nolan Ryan and Amos Otis? Why did he think acquiring Jim Fregosi was such a great idea? Why couldn't he get more out of Gary Gentry?

I wish we could recognize Hodges' place in team history, which is an extremely important one, without making a saint out of him. The Hodges myth is so ingrained that people who weren't there take it as gospel. As for me, give me the manager that won 90 or more games 6X in 7 years while dealing with massive egos, rampant drug use, crippling injuries and head-scratching trades. That's the guy who did the great managerial job, not the one whose team won it all because the best team collapsed while his team exceeded its Pythagoran win total by 8 games. And then under-performed Pythagoras by a combined 8 games the following two years.

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