We hear all of the time from Steve Cohen and David Stearns about building a sustainable winner. But what exactly does that phrase mean? In its simplest form, you could say it means entering the season with expectations of making the playoffs – year after year after year. Yet even if we accept that meaning, the question still remains on what needs to be done to make that happen. You have to stockpile pieces, ones that are going to be meaningful contributors for a number of years.
Not every meaningful piece is going to be around for more than a year or two. It’s hard to argue that Jose Iglesias and Luis Severino weren’t meaningful players on a team that advanced to the NLCS. Yet it looks like it’s one and done for both of those players and the Mets. Still, if you look at a team like the Dodgers – one that’s been to the playoffs in 12 straight seasons – you see a bunch of players who’ve been significant contributors for a number of years, among them Mookie Betts, Freddie Freeman, Max Muncy and Will Smith. Last year they added Teoscar Hernandez, Shohei Ohtani and Yoshinobu Yamamoto and this year it’s Roki Sasaki.
So, how do the Mets enter 2025 in this regard? How many meaningful pieces are here that have been – or will be – multi-year contributors? Let’s take a look at the players who already fit this category, along with ones that should. We’ll break this down by year they earned that status, which works out as follows:
2025 – Juan Soto, Clay Holmes
2024 – Sean Manaea, Mark Vientos, David Peterson, Jose Butto, Dedniel Nunez
2023 – Francisco Alvarez, Kodai Senga
2021 – Francisco Lindor
2019 – Pete Alonso, Edwin Diaz
2018 – Brandon Nimmo, Jeff McNeil
This is certainly a subjective list – many might put Starling Marte here but did he play a significant role the past two years? - and one that might even change with some hindsight. Perhaps this time next year we’ll have Brett Baty, Reed Garrett, Tylor Megill, Sean Reid-Foley and Tyrone Taylor on it. And a few of those players we’d have to backdate before 2025. Or maybe someone comes in out of the blue. No one had Nunez as a multi-year, significant piece this time last year.
The one thing is that you want multiple players joining this list each year, as attrition will certainly hit, whether thru players leaving or just not maintaining their production. If we did this list during 2023 Spring Training, Marte would have been on it, along with Mark Canha and perhaps Eduardo Escobar, too. And the latter two ended the year on different teams.
Because of their payroll, the Mets are able to have nine players on my list above making at least $12.5 million. And that doesn’t count Marte or Frankie Montas, with the latter not exactly a slam dunk to be a meaningful contributor for either the 2025 or the 2027 Mets.
When we break down the list, we see that eight of them came up thru the farm system, four as free agents and two from trades. Without doing this for every team, it’s difficult to know if this is standard or an outlier in some way. What we do know is that if the two that came from trades – Diaz and Lindor – both signed long-term deals with the Mets, although Diaz can opt out after this season.
With four players carrying a contract of at least $20 million for at least the next three years, the hope is that more players from the farm system will become meaningful contributors. And there are certainly realistic options, especially if the high-priced players perform to expectations, lessening the need for young players to come up and be stars.
In a way, this list is helping us to identify the team’s core. From 2018-2021, the offensive core of the Mets was Alonso, Conforto, McNeil and Nimmo. The main issue with that core is that they weren’t all productive in the same season. And the secondary issue was that there wasn’t much in the way of help for our quartet.
Here’s a list of all of the hitters to amass at least a 2.0 fWAR in those four seasons.
2018 – Nimmo (5.0), Conforto (3.4), Asdrubal Cabrera (2.8)
2019 – Alonso (4.7), McNeil (4.7), Conforto (4.2), J.D. Davis (2.5)
2020
2021 – Lindor (3.9), Alonso (3.5), Nimmo (3.3), Jonathan Villar (2.0)
Even in 2020, the main four guys weren’t productive at the same time. While Conforto, McNeil and Nimmo combined for 4.9 fWAR, Alonso contributed just 0.3 fWAR. But while several other hitters performed well in the Covid year, the pitching was another story.
In 2022, Conforto left as a free agent, replaced by Lindor as the fourth member of the core. Here are the hitters to produce at least 2.0 fWAR each year:
2022 – Lindor (6.4), McNeil (5.6), Nimmo (5.4), Alonso (3.8), Marte (3.5), Canha (2.6)
2023 – Lindor (5.5), Nimmo (4.2), Alvarez (3.0), Alonso (2.8), McNeil (2.4)
2024 – Lindor (7.8), Vientos (2.9), Nimmo (2.7), Iglesias (2.5), Alonso (2.1)
It’s little wonder the 2022 squad won 101 games with that offensive production. And much like in 2020, the 2023 squad was done in by the pitching.
Lindor has led the team’s hitters in fWAR every year since he joined the team. We hope that Soto surpasses him this season. The top six hitters combined for 27.3 fWAR in 2022. Can this year’s squad top that mark? A rebound season from McNeil makes that a possibility. Soto, Lindor, Nimmo, Alonso, Vientos, Alvarez and McNeil give the Mets a chance for seven hitters to at least reach a 2.0 fWAR.
We know that five of those seven players will be here for a while. Alonso could leave after 2025 and after 2026 both he and McNeil could be gone. Will the farm system be able to fill out those spots or will the Mets have to turn to free agency? It will be easier – and less expensive – if the answer is the former.
Your list of major Dodgers additions this year was missing Blake Snell, Tanner Scott, and Hyeseong Kim (all signed for 3 years or more). They really did have some sort of insane off-season.
The Mets have all these young prospects and it's always a chess game trying to configure where everyone will eventually fit, but one consideration is that at least some of these guys will be moved at some point. Prospects are great trade pieces for valuable short term guys when the team is going on a run, so the landscape of who will be here to step up in the big leagues is likely to look different in a year or two. Hard to predict who could be on the trade block, but I would imagine something happens to change the outlook in the next year.
What a crisis it would be if Diaz opts out! Can’t imagine the Mets will get in a free agent bidding war for a pitcher who is about to be 31 years old. Unless they sign long term deals next year the Mets could go after Devin Williams of the Yankees, Ryan Helsley of the Cardinals, or Raisel Iglesias of the Braves. There does not seem to be a stockpile of players who would step in as the closer unless the Clay Holmes experiment fails and he assumes the closer spot. Given the starting staff we are all hoping he turns into this years’ Seth Lugo.
There was talk in the past of trying Mauricio in the outfield due to his athleticism and that still seems like a plausible way to get him into the lineup since Vientos should be at third for the rest of this decade and Acuna and Baty are still in the mix. It would also seem that with the current stockpile of infielders, there is sufficient options to move on from McNeil if they can dump his salary.
If Alonso has a monster year, given what happened this offseason, chances are he will leave for a big 3-4 year deal, especially since his salary drops to $24 million for 2026. A number of teams would possibly be willing to advance over that number but not the $30 million he will get paid in 2025.
In an overall sense, the Mets have stockpiled a strong starting lineup with the potential for a lot of power and scoring runs. While they are not a young team, their long term deals (Nimmo, Lindor and Soto) are for players who have a lot of upside and can be considered in or approaching their prime (Soto).
It seems that they are well on their way to being able to move young players up each year, but still have the financial flexibility to pop in an expense free agent on a not ridiculous contract (No to Vlad Jr and another 12-15 year contract). So, I think the answer to your article is yes, they have stockpiled good player to create a sustainable winner.