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Ryan J's avatar

If Stearns waits until ~ August 15th to call up Sproat or McLean he will maintain an extra year of control on both of those guys. The thinking is likely that he's playing the long game here. Our current pitchers can pitch twice more through the rotation before calling up these guys, but at that point are we hoping they'll bolster this team going into the playoffs when they're so green?

It's a business decision. We'll see those guys in ten days, we are solidly in a playoff position if we can play .500 ball for the rest of the season.

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Sometimes starters just don’t have it. But often starters, unlike relievers, are used to working through a rough start and gutting it out for several innings. Perhaps we need to start with some of those that Stearns obtained with the hopes that they would be turned around by the pitching coaches or perhaps catch lightning in a bottle with marginal pitchers like Mantos, Blackburn, Canning, and a host of no name relievers - the list goes on. Manaea is not in that category, but Holmes might be given that he is at the point where he had not thrown more innings in past year. and whether. We knew that Senga was fragile, already needing an extra day of rest to be more effective.

What is easy to see is that today’s pitchers are soft when compared with other generations of hurlers whether that be the starters or relievers. As pointed out, a relief pitcher throws 12 pitches and then does not go out for the next inning. A starter hits 75 pitches and our game chat discusses whether they will go out for another inning. I revert back to the history of pitching in the 60’s and 70’s (sorry to those who were not yet born and think this refers to the middle ages) when pitchers threw 250 plus innings with tons of complete games.

In 1975 there were 1,052 complete games, ten years later in 1985 it had fallen to 727, then down to 104 in 2015 and 50 in 2021. In 2024 there were 28 and this year it stands at somewhere between 12-28 depending on the info spit out by Google.

“They” claim that analytics have demonstrated a clear decline third time through the order and that the threshold of 100 pitches is where is all goes down the drain. The pitchers of my youth gutted it out and while many still relied on mostly fastballs thinking they could over match the hitters all night long, the most successful pitchers learned out to pitch and show something different as the game progressed. Also, the specialization of relief pitchers, specific match ups, risk of injuries and the focus on winning versus the long-standing statistics that got pitchers to the hall of fame, have forced teams to pull their pitchers sooner than they should be pulled.

So, while Stearns may have loaded up on starters, as did the Dodgers, while injuries to the pitchers have certainly hurt, so has the caliber of player he chosen. When the Dodgers got their injured pitchers back their names were Snell, Yamamoto, Glasnow and Sasaki. The names the Mets got back were Manaea, Montas, Blackburn, and hopefully Megill. The difference is astonishing.

I don’t know enough to determine why Mets pitchers struggle off of rehab assignments but I can see that the caliber of pitchers they have is simply not that of a championship team.

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